Cell Phone Ping - Update
The Debate
This questions has come up in many forums including our own PI discussion groups. Is it legal to perform or hire someone to perform a Cell Phone Ping to determine the location of a person?
What is a Cell Phone Ping?
Pinging a cell phone is finding out what cell tower their phone is in. This can be used to locate a person that you know has the cell phone. This is used by law enforcement on a regular basis.
Usually the information is provided by the cellular provider and you have to have an account with them. In 911 systems the location is broadcast with the call. If a bad guy is carrying a cell phone the phone is constantly sending signals to the closest cell tower, even if the phone isn't in use. The location of the cell tower will tell you that the person is within a certain range. When the person moves they can be tracked by which cell towers the signal is bouncing to.
Now cell phones come with GPS so your exact location can be traced. Even when your phone is turned off!! Also, the phones can be used as a listening device. It can be activated via a cell phone tower and law enforcement can listen to everything said within range of the cell phone. The phone doesn't even have to be turned on. It's like you are carrying around a microphone (see my blog titled "Is Your Cell Phone Bugged").
Many ways of listening to people are being developed and put to use right under our noses. ONSTAR has been used to listen in on criminals by law enforcement. the microphone for ONSTAR in your car can be activated remotely so your conversation in the car can be listened to.
If you want to remain anonymous with a cell phone use a prepaid phone and don't send in your information for a mail in rebate. Because the phone will then be registered to your name. If nobody knows your phone number or ESN (electronic serial number) then they can't trace your phone by cell towers. And definitely not by GPS. As for the ONSTAR, well, most people in the know disconnect it. Cable boxes are also being used to listen in on people in their homes. The signal is sent over the same coax cable to the head-end where a server records you conversations if you have been targeted.
But, back to Pinging a phone, it's finding out what cell tower grid the phone is in so a person can be located. The ESN or phone number of the cell phone needs to be known. The cell phone provider can provide this information but you have to be allowed to have it, meaning you can get it if you are LEO (law enforcement officer), government agency and have a subpoena.
Usually the information is provided by the cellular provider and you have to have an account with them. In 911 systems the location is broadcast with the call. If a bad guy is carrying a cell phone the phone is constantly sending signals to the closest cell tower, even if the phone isn't in use. The location of the cell tower will tell you that the person is within a certain range. When the person moves they can be tracked by which cell towers the signal is bouncing to.
Now cell phones come with GPS so your exact location can be traced. Even when your phone is turned off!! Also, the phones can be used as a listening device. It can be activated via a cell phone tower and law enforcement can listen to everything said within range of the cell phone. The phone doesn't even have to be turned on. It's like you are carrying around a microphone (see my blog titled "Is Your Cell Phone Bugged").
Many ways of listening to people are being developed and put to use right under our noses. ONSTAR has been used to listen in on criminals by law enforcement. the microphone for ONSTAR in your car can be activated remotely so your conversation in the car can be listened to.
If you want to remain anonymous with a cell phone use a prepaid phone and don't send in your information for a mail in rebate. Because the phone will then be registered to your name. If nobody knows your phone number or ESN (electronic serial number) then they can't trace your phone by cell towers. And definitely not by GPS. As for the ONSTAR, well, most people in the know disconnect it. Cable boxes are also being used to listen in on people in their homes. The signal is sent over the same coax cable to the head-end where a server records you conversations if you have been targeted.
But, back to Pinging a phone, it's finding out what cell tower grid the phone is in so a person can be located. The ESN or phone number of the cell phone needs to be known. The cell phone provider can provide this information but you have to be allowed to have it, meaning you can get it if you are LEO (law enforcement officer), government agency and have a subpoena.
One way to perform a Ping is by performing a number of LEGAL procedures to determine the physical location of the cell phone user.
What most services provide is a pretext. They will send an SMS message (text message) to the phone advising the recipient that they have "won a prize, call in the next few minutes to claim your prize". The number to be called is an 800 number. When the "winner" calls they get a recording stating that cell phone calls are not allowed, go to the nearest wired phone and call. If they fall for that, the number is"trapped" (as with all toll free calls) and a public records search may show the location of that wired or land line phone. This is a totally legal pretext.
Here is one place where you can perform a Cell Ping - Click Here. The service is No Hit - No Fee in most cases.
What most services provide is a pretext. They will send an SMS message (text message) to the phone advising the recipient that they have "won a prize, call in the next few minutes to claim your prize". The number to be called is an 800 number. When the "winner" calls they get a recording stating that cell phone calls are not allowed, go to the nearest wired phone and call. If they fall for that, the number is"trapped" (as with all toll free calls) and a public records search may show the location of that wired or land line phone. This is a totally legal pretext.
Here is one place where you can perform a Cell Ping - Click Here. The service is No Hit - No Fee in most cases.
If your desire is to locate a more thorough PING that can locate the phone as close as five feet there may be an option for licensed investigators, email me at Patrick@PDJservices.com for more information.
Any feedback on this topic is greatly appreciated - please click on the "comments" button at the end of this blog to post your feedback or comments, you may post your comments anonymously.
Patrick L. Baird








7 Comments:
Cell phone Caller ID says "1"
No message left.
1st type of call of its kind
Previous calls from a police fraternity (common among other
county residents as well)
- Including a physical visit.
If the activity described here
does not match the "usual
procedure" for use of this
technique, why would I have
received such a miss-placed
call?
(miss-placed? OR intentional!?)
How can I know?
That site isn't free.
Nice article! I'm just getting into programming cell tower positioning software. I managed to ping and retrieve my first tower last night :)
I'm a little worried about how criminals might use this software to hunt people down though. I can also see this used for great good as well. We can keep track of our kids, find out if we have missed the bus (if the buses start to keep a simplified version of a phone on-board).
The listening in through the mic thing freaks me out a little. Do you know if this affects older phone models? Also, I don't think having a prepaid phone will do any good. If I can't find any phone registration of say, Mr Jones, then I look up Mrs Jones or little Johnny Jones. I could then find out who they call and guess that the unregistered person they call is Mr Jones.
Patrick - at the end of the article there was a link to a site where you can have a phone "legally" pinged.
I need help. I thought the complete article was about how it's illegal to do so.
Which am I misunderstanding??
Is pinging legal?
This depends on how the "ping" was done. This is a useful tool when properly executed, I suggest that you leave this sensitive investigation with a specialist that would not jeopardize your good standing. If I can be of any assistance please let me know.
Patrick Baird
Last night at about 3:30 am I received what I believe to be a ping call.
The phone caller ID said "private caller" and when I answered there was no one on the line. Every time I'd try to initiate a response from the other line, I would be answered by a "ping". This proceeded for about one-two minutes and then spontaneously hung up on me.
I am not a criminal, nor do I believe that I'm a person of much legal interest.
Huh? Why did this happen? Was it a legit ping?
I am having a problem with the police helping me find my 16 year old. She ran off to Mexico and they say they wont help...Is there anyone that can help me? I dont have much to offer but I would like to have my daughter back! If you can help please let me know
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